Harley code p1510 p2122 p2138 - Dec 15, 2011. #3. SJSHD said: I have a 09 Ultra with 10,000 miles on it. I baby the bike most of the time except for last week I was riding it more agressive and the check engine light came on and it went into lymp home mode. I checked for codes and it came up with P1511. The manual says it is the Throttle Grip Sensor.

 
P2122 - Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch 'D' Circuit Low. from your codes, theyre saying your throttle body is getting a low voltage, not your pedal. its more likely you need a new throttle body as you may have a tps failure. the p2138 is a correlation between your pedal, throttle body, and ecu, and the ecu is detecting different/incorrect .... House and rawlings funeral home obituaries

Mar 20, 2021 · P2138 (with P1510 performance limiter) - I installed Stage 1 over the winter and reflashed the ECM with the pro Street tuner. I also have the smart tune pro. Googled that too and saw two main culprits - either a bad TGS sensor/wire or a bad ECM config. M8 DTC code list P1510 447 ETC limited performance mode ETC MANAGEMENT DIAGNOSTICS ... P1510 P1512 P2122 P2127 P2138 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ... A forum community dedicated to all Harley-Davidson Road Glide owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about performance, builds, accessories, …What Does Harley Code P1510 Mean? Code P1510 is a diagnostic trouble code (DTC) signifying a throttle actuator control issue. It’s often linked to the throttle-by-wire (TBW) system, a technology that replaces the mechanical linkage between the throttle …The automotive trouble code P2138 throttle/pedal position sensor/switch D/E voltage correlation refers to a problem related to the throttle's ability to open and close properly. In the 1990's automotive manufacturers began industry-wide installation of "Drive by wire" throttle control technology. It's mission is to afford greater control over ...Turns out its throwing the P2101 Grip Sensor code. I pulled the bars and pulled the wires replaced the sensor and getting he same issue. Replaced the sensor with the CVO extended wire model so no soldering needed. Same code same issue. But …Ok so I pulled the codes P1510 P2122 P2127 P2138 ... (P1510 & P2138)remained. ... A forum community dedicated to all Harley-Davidson Road Glide owners and enthusiasts ...Now it's throwing p1510, p2127, and p2138 2012 harley davidson streetglide ... 09 street glide codes are p2122, p2138, p1510 have replaced twist grip sensor. It ...Jun 1, 2009 · Just brought the bike home from the dealer and talked to the mechanic. He explained it was the 2nd bike for him this week with codes 1511 and 2135. He said Harley Tech Support is seeing this more and more with high mileage '08's. They said it is the wires in the connector to the TCA. With condensation, weather, etc. there is a build up. Like. U. UltraNutz. 290 posts · Joined 2005. #7 · Nov 11, 2010 (Edited) - the IAC may be dirty and could probably use a good cleaning. - The IAC is located in the throttle body. - to clean the IAC, turn ignition switch on, turn run/stop switch on and off a couple of times while spraying carburetor cleaner into the IAC.When encountering these Harley codes, it is important to consult a qualified technician or refer to the bike’s service manual for accurate diagnosis of trouble code and appropriate solutions. P1511 B1121 P1510 B2156 Harley Codes indicates a problem with the throttle control system. B1121 This code points to an issue with the right-turn output ...Turns out its throwing the P2101 Grip Sensor code. I pulled the bars and pulled the wires replaced the sensor and getting he same issue. Replaced the sensor with the CVO extended wire model so no soldering needed. Same code same issue. But …P2138 Meaning. You press the gas pedal. The accelerator position sensor sends a signal to your F150’s PCM. The throttle position sensors confirm how much the throttle is opened. The PCM adjusts the throttle position based on this feedback. The “D” and “E” TPS signals need to AGREE with one another AND the accelerator position sensor.On my 2015 Ultra Limited, I've been plagued with the following codes 1510, P2122, and P2138 with a PN41000227A showing up. P2122 and P2138 will clear, but P1510 will not. I've checked for loose connections and found nothing. ... V-Twin Harley Davidson forum. Discussion on V-Twin Harley Davidson motorcycles including Dyna, Electra …Installed a set of high bars on a 2015 Road Glide over the weekend. Job went smoothly. Plenty of room to pull the wire through the new bars (Harley bars) and nothing tight. Got it all back together, everything works EXCEPT the throttle codes of P1510, P2122/3, and P2138 (last one is by memory). Those all relate to the throttle by wire. So I:Installed a set of high bars on a 2015 Road Glide over the weekend. Job went smoothly. Plenty of room to pull the wire through the new bars (Harley bars) and nothing tight. Got it all back together, everything works EXCEPT the throttle codes of P1510, P2122/3, and P2138 (last one is by memory). Those all relate to the throttle by wire. So I:mroach. 172 posts · Joined 2011. #2 · Nov 21, 2011 (Edited) code-P1510 = EFI Limited Performance Mode. There are two position sensors in the twist grip. one …Ok so I pulled the codes P1510 P2122 P2127 P2138 ... (P1510 & P2138)remained. ... A forum community dedicated to all Harley-Davidson Road Glide owners and enthusiasts ...Mar 19, 2011 · I'm here with this code issue as well. My deal is: Changed my grips 3 months ago, not a single problem until 2 days ago on the way home from a 250 mile trip and the CEL comes on. Limited performance mode and the 2138 throttle code. I can clear it, it's fine for miles (no consistency in distance) and then it comes on again. Makes no sense. And I changed spark plugs. Now it's throwing p1510, p2127, and p2138 2012 harley davidson streetglide ... Chasing a p1510, p2122, p2138 code problem.Home AcuraP2138 Acura DTC P2138 Make: Acura Code: P2138 Definition: APP Sensor A/B or 1/2 (Throttle Position (TP) Sensor D/E) Incorrect Voltage Correlation (Includes Hybrid Models) ... The execution time is continuous and DTCs P2122, P2123, P2127, P2128 are not active. NOTE: Before you troubleshoot, record all freeze data and any on-board snapshot.Codes P1512, P2122, P2127, and P2138 - all - Answered by a verified Motorcycle Mechanic. We use cookies to give you the best possible experience on our website. ... P1510 code on ecm. P1510 p2122 p2138. 2014 Harley street. Are you fixing your bike yourself?P2138 Code. 2013 F150 6.2l 150k miles. This has happened twice now within the last week. Right after starting, the engine revs up and back down, a wrench light comes on and the throttle does not work. After restart everything is good. It shows a P2138 code - Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D/E Voltage Correlation.=====Claim your FREE engine code eraser 👉 https://free.nonda.co 👈=====nonda Auto DIY Center is the biggest ...Dolls unveiled at New York Comic Con depict Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Bumblebee, Batgirl, Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy. By clicking "TRY IT", I agree to receive newsletters and promo...May 12, 2015 · The following procedure will instruct in retrieving and clearing ECM Diagnostic Trouble Codes and TSM/TSSM codes thru the Harley guage cluster as well as a list of codes. 1- Turn Ignition switch to OFF & Run/Stop switch is to Run. 2- Push odometer reset button in & hold. 3- Turn ignition switch to Ignition and release the odometer reset button. I was installing new bars and now I have a no start condition with codes as follows p0120,p0220,p0222,p1511,p1512,p2122,p2127,p2138 and pn. Dennis. Harley Davidson Master Te... 212 satisfied customers. 2009 street glide with stage 1 on it. I was riding when the. 2009 street glide with stage 1 on it. I was riding when the bike just died.I researched and took notes on which wires match with each other. Put everything back together started the bike, but now I have no throttle response and the check engine light is on. I found out how to get the codes and it's telling me P1510 but I can not clear it out. Any suggestions on how to get the bike out of limp mode and get throttle ...=====Claim your FREE engine code eraser 👉 https://free.nonda.co 👈=====nonda Auto DIY Center is the biggest ... I have a Harley-Davidson 2014 Street Glide and it's showing these codes: P1510 .2122 and 2138. The part # that is giving me is 001217-01. I want to know, what do I need? Via Email P1510 – ETC limited… P1510 code on ecm. P1510 p2122 p2138. 2014 Harley street. ... 09 street glide codes are p2122, p2138, p1510 have replaced twist grip sensor. It started when tail lamp ...What Does Harley Code P1510 Mean? Code P1510 is a diagnostic trouble code (DTC) signifying a throttle actuator control issue. It’s often linked to the throttle-by-wire (TBW) system, a technology that replaces the mechanical linkage between the throttle …Aug 18, 2014 · relxn88. 439 posts · Joined 2006. #2 · Aug 19, 2014. 1510 says the actuator control ,the piece on the side on the induction module, has limited preformance. 2122 says Twistgrip position sensor too low or open. 2128 says Twistgrip position sensor too high. check throttle grip sensor and or wiring. M. How to fix a P2138 Code: Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D/E Voltage Correlation. A P2138 Code is set when the ECM/PCM detects that the signals from th...2006 Nissan Titan code p2138 throttle/pedal positioning sensor switch d/e voltage correlation I have a 2006 Nissan Titan my truck has 128000 miles gave me a p2138 code I changed the throttle body, but nothing changed the acceleration pedal, but nothing now I hit a pot hole driving n the engine light turned on gave me a p2138 throttle/pedal positioning …P2122 - Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch 'D' Circuit Low. from your codes, theyre saying your throttle body is getting a low voltage, not your pedal. its more likely you need a new throttle body as you may have a tps failure. the p2138 is a correlation between your pedal, throttle body, and ecu, and the ecu is detecting different/incorrect ...August 11, 2021 by Jason. P2122 is a generic OBD-II code, meaning that it has the same definition for all makes and models of vehicles. But, it does seem to pop up the most in Nissan, GM, and Chrysler-made vehicles. P2122 indicates that the voltage coming from throttle position sensor “D” is below the normal operating range.Put stock grips back on. the twist grip sensor for the throttle that go's inside the end of the bar,it has the small green connector about 6" from the end, inside the bar,check that to make sure it's good and tight,be careful it's easy to mess up.then check the other end in the fairing,make sure it's good.if so look for a skined wire inside the ...#1 · Mar 2, 2017. Yup, put on new bars. Got the 1510 code. I've read the other threads regarding this code, but they all included one if not two more codes with it. It threw the …Learn how to troubleshoot issues with your Harley using Harley error codes displayed directly on the speedometer.Re: code P2138, P2138 P Resolved. Thanks for the info & pic. Since it was a powertrain/warranty related issue, I had the local dealer check it out. They checked I/P to body harness connector-OK. They came up with the same codes and an internal throttle position sensor fault (9094)B1125 (HFSM) Left Turn Output Short to Battery. 21. B1126 (HFSM) Right Turn Output Short to Battery. 22. B1143 (HFSM) Security Antenna Short to Ground. 23. B1144 (HFSM) Security Antenna Short to Battery. …Now it's throwing p1510, p2127, and p2138 2012 harley davidson streetglide ... 09 street glide codes are p2122, p2138, p1510 have replaced twist grip sensor. It started when tail lamp went out. Replaced it with aftermarket lamp, …Harley Davidson 2008 DTC Code Reading (draft) Harley Davidson DTC Codes - Unofficial Guide Page 3 B Codes B0563 Battery Voltage High. B1121(TSM) Left Turn Output Fault B1121(HFSM) Left Turn Output Open B1122(TSM) Right Turn Output Fault B1122(HFSM) Right Turn Output Open B1123(HFSM) Left Turn Output Short to GroundI replaced the TBW last night with the 32310-08. I reinstalled the bars on the bike and reset all the DTC codes. I followed the TBW 6 wires to the plug and into the neck to amke sure there was no "binding" Turned bike on, NO CODES! turn handlebars left and all be damned if all 3 of the codes P1510-P2127-P2138 came right the F back on.Dec 11, 2023 · What Does Harley Code P1510 Mean? Code P1510 is a diagnostic trouble code (DTC) signifying a throttle actuator control issue. It’s often linked to the throttle-by-wire (TBW) system, a technology that replaces the mechanical linkage between the throttle and the engine with electronic signals. The P2135 code indicates that the voltage reading between the accelerator pedal position sensor and the throttle body position sensor doesn’t match. This isn’t an issue on older models because the throttle body was connected directly to the accelerator with the help of a cable and a mechanical link. As the accelerator was pushed, the ...P2122 and P2138. Getting these codes intermittently. They come and go.. I get reduced engine power when they come in.. I replaced the throttle position sensor (new foot feed) and it is still doing it.. It usually happens after the truck has sit all night and happens usually first thing.. After a couple of stops and starts it clears and then is ...Need some help my 09 SG keeps show codes P1510,P2127,P2138 I changed the plugs cleaned all plug in contacts to . Save Share. Like. ... A forum community dedicated to all Harley-Davidson model owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about performance, modifications, troubleshooting, builds, maintenance, classifieds and …Feb 18, 2012 · P1510 P2122 P2138 today. Jump to Latest Follow. 20K views 18 replies 8 participants last post by Whtlac Sep 3, 2013. exammo Discussion starter. 422 posts · Joined 2011. #1 · Feb 18, 2012. I was out riding today and on my way back home my check engine light came on and the bike started shuddering. I tried to stop and the ABS messed up and the ... I replaced the TBW last night with the 32310-08. I reinstalled the bars on the bike and reset all the DTC codes. I followed the TBW 6 wires to the plug and into the neck to amke sure there was no "binding" Turned bike on, NO CODES! turn handlebars left and all be damned if all 3 of the codes P1510-P2127-P2138 came right the F back on.09 street glide codes are p2122, p2138, p1510 have replaced twist grip sensor. It started when tail lamp went out. ... Experience in Harley Davidson and Triumph. Kyle N. Ex- Motorcycle Tech. 54 satisfied customers. Currently working on A.S. in Motorcycle Technology. Tim's Auto Repair.P2185 ECT sensor high. P2300 Ignition coil driver low/open (front) P2301 Ignition coil driver shorted high (front) P2303 Ignition coil driver low/open (rear) P2304 Ignition coil driver shorted high (rear) DISCLAIMER: this information is for reference only. Fuel Moto does not offer technical support for diagnostic trouble codes.New Member. Jan 18, 2018. #1. P2176 EFI Closed Postion Not Learned, I took my bike into the dealer for this code. I was asked if I had recently used the kill switch, I did accidently hit the kill switch with my helmit. They said that if your throttle is not in the zero position that the kill switch will cause the bike to throw a check engine light.Dolls unveiled at New York Comic Con depict Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Bumblebee, Batgirl, Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy. By clicking "TRY IT", I agree to receive newsletters and promo...P1510 TBW safe mode P2122 TGS 1 low / open TBW wire pinched or broken ... this was the source of my P1356 code so I got a new set of OEM plugs thinking maybe the NGK ...Wrap Up. To fix the P2127 fault code, check the accelerator pedal position sensor and its wiring harness for any damage or poor electrical connection. Inspect the related components and connectors for any signs of corrosion or damage. …Trouble Codes - Throttle related. On my 2015 Ultra Limited, I've been plagued with the following codes 1510, P2122, and P2138 with a PN41000227A showing up. P2122 and P2138 will clear, but P1510 will not. I've checked for loose connections and found nothing. I'm thinking I have to replace the controller in the handlebar, but do they do this or ...Feb 18, 2012 · P1510 P2122 P2138 today. Jump to Latest Follow. 20K views 18 replies 8 participants last post by Whtlac Sep 3, 2013. exammo Discussion starter. 422 posts · Joined 2011. #1 · Feb 18, 2012. I was out riding today and on my way back home my check engine light came on and the bike started shuddering. I tried to stop and the ABS messed up and the ... Harley-Davidson will release figures for Q4 on February 2.Wall Street analysts expect Harley-Davidson will release earnings per share of $0.071.Go... On February 2, Harley-Davidson...Step 8. Check related PCM and component connections. P2122, P2127 code - The Electronic Throttle Control (ETC) system uses two Accelerator Pedal Position (APP) Sensors to monitor the accelerator pedal position. The APP sensors 1 and 2 are integrated into one assembly located at the pedal assembly.What Does Engine Code P2138 Mean? The P2138 error code is related to the throttle/pedal position sensor/switch “D”/”E” voltage correlation.Put stock grips back on. the twist grip sensor for the throttle that go's inside the end of the bar,it has the small green connector about 6" from the end, inside the bar,check that to make sure it's good and tight,be careful it's easy to mess up.then check the other end in the fairing,make sure it's good.if so look for a skined wire inside the ...Aug 27, 2020 · Trouble Codes - Throttle related. On my 2015 Ultra Limited, I've been plagued with the following codes 1510, P2122, and P2138 with a PN41000227A showing up. P2122 and P2138 will clear, but P1510 will not. I've checked for loose connections and found nothing. I'm thinking I have to replace the controller in the handlebar, but do they do this or ... Mar 19, 2011 · I'm here with this code issue as well. My deal is: Changed my grips 3 months ago, not a single problem until 2 days ago on the way home from a 250 mile trip and the CEL comes on. Limited performance mode and the 2138 throttle code. I can clear it, it's fine for miles (no consistency in distance) and then it comes on again. Makes no sense. Other than that, if you have the condition described including the P2138 code, they must repair as part of the program. If the problem is similar but not this specific problem or code, only normal warranties apply. 2016 Chevy Malibu 1LT 1.5T/6-Speed 165k miles. 2019 F-150 SuperCrew 5.0L. 2022 Mazda CX-5 PP 2.5.Mar 25, 2015 · Did a bar change...everything works fine but the engine light is on with codes P1510/p2138 and can't clear them can I get some help on this ...don't really want to take it to the slealership. May 12, 2015 · The following procedure will instruct in retrieving and clearing ECM Diagnostic Trouble Codes and TSM/TSSM codes thru the Harley guage cluster as well as a list of codes. 1- Turn Ignition switch to OFF & Run/Stop switch is to Run. 2- Push odometer reset button in & hold. 3- Turn ignition switch to Ignition and release the odometer reset button. Car Questions. Motorcycle Questions. I have a a p1510 p2127 and p2138 codes on my 2019 Streetboob… Hi! I have a a p1510 p2127 and p2138 codes on my …I have identify a P0220 code fault on My Kia Sorento 2004. This fault code only comes up when the car pass by a lot of water, and last time when the engine was washed. Usually what happen is that the Engine Light ON and the rotation remain on 1400 rpm without any acceleration. After one or two days with the car stopped the problem …Well just off hand I can tell ya the H-D ECM won't report a code for the Dakota Digital speedo . Sounds more like the speed sensor and your new speedo aren't communicating . ... P2122 TGS1 Low/Open 23. P2123 TGS1 High 24. P2127 TGS2 Low/Open 25. P2128 TGS2 High ... P1510 EFI Limited Performance Mode 77. P1511 EFI …The Harley P1510 code indicates a fault with the Throttle Actuator Control (TAC) system. It is responsible for controlling the opening and closing of the throttle body in response to input from the rider’s throttle control.Mar 25, 2015 · Did a bar change...everything works fine but the engine light is on with codes P1510/p2138 and can't clear them can I get some help on this ...don't really want to take it to the slealership. Master. 1,917 Answers. Disconnect positive side of battery wait 20 seconds hook back up this wii clear codes if it comes back on tank to dealer for check something is wrong bad plugs need oil chang needs air filter bad gas cape some thing minor bit those things you can try to clear cold i would try gas cap first.2007 Ford Focus - Multiple Throttle Codes: P0607, P2110, P2122, P2138. Also includes Mercury. 1 post • Page 1 of 1. davevaller Posts: 1 Joined: Wed Nov 07, 2018 10:48 pm ... P2138 - THROTTLE/PEDAL POSITION SENSOR SWITCH D/E VOLTAGE It doesn't seem to affect the driving much, although I will say sometimes I feel a little low on …M8 DTC code list P1510 447 ETC limited performance mode ETC MANAGEMENT DIAGNOSTICS ... P1510 P1512 P2122 P2127 P2138 ... A forum community dedicated to all Harley ...The usual problem that trips the B1121 or B1122 codes (left and right turn output faults) are shorts to ground. ... P2122 TGS1 Low/Open 23. P2123 TGS1 High 24. P2127 TGS2 Low/Open 25. P2128 TGS2 High ... P1510 EFI Limited Performance Mode 77. P1511 EFI Power Management Mode 78. P1512 EFI Forced Idle ModeThe 1905 Harley-Davidson motorcycle had to be pedaled like a bicycle to get started. See pictures and learn about this Harley-Davidson motorcycle. Advertisement Two years after the...Aug 17, 2020 · I have a 2008 Ultra Classic. Throwing code P1510 and P2122. P1510 and P2122 have not tried resetting. Harley - Answered by a verified Motorcycle Mechanic The codes P1510 & P2138 came up. The other issue was the old style stock TGS had multicolored wires for the six slot where as the new TGS had the red white …Has anyone found a fix for this issue. 2015 street glide giving P2138 and P1510 code. We have looked at every single ground connection, wire, plug connector, and replaced the tgs straight from harley dealer. ... A forum community dedicated to all Harley-Davidson model owners and enthusiasts. Come join the discussion about performance ...

Rockster. 3289 posts · Joined 2018. #4 · Nov 17, 2020. P2122: Acceleration Pedal Position sensor 1 input voltage is below the minimum acceptable value. P2138: ECM or PCM has detected the signals from the 2 throttle position sensors (or two acceleration pedal position sensors) do not correlate.. Hannam chain weekly special

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We strongly urge you to take the affected motorcycle to an authorized Harley-Davidson dealer to have the appropriate service performed as soon as possibleJun 23, 2022 · Use a scan tool or code reader that graphs data to determine which APP sensor is triggering P2138. With the engine running and your car put in “Park,” lightly press on the gas, and watch the graph on the scan tool to make sure the data doesn’t dip or spike drastically (1:59 in the video above). If there is a spike or dip, you’ll know ... The P2122 code indicates that the powertrain control network (PCM) has detected an issue with the throttle position sensor (TPS), specifically that the sensor is running too low of a voltage. Most ...Now it's throwing p1510, p2127, and p2138 2012 harley davidson streetglide ... 09 street glide codes are p2122, p2138, p1510 have replaced twist grip sensor. It started when tail lamp went out. Replaced it with aftermarket lamp, …The bike seem to be running fine. Can't find the codes for a 2009 Ultra. No probema in the morning. "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." P2122 TGS1 Low/Open. Twist Grip Sensor problem. Loose/faulty or pinched wiring or possibly bad sensor. I hope it was a fluke.FIX CODE P0220 P2122 P2127 Throttle Pedal Position SensorIf you have a car that has a code such as P2127, P2122, P0220 in this video we will explain what nee...Need help with codes P1510 and P2138 Page Harley Davidson Forums. 5 (41) · USD 35.47 · In stock. Description. ... P1510 P2122 P2138 today Road Glide. P1510c, P2122c, P2138c codes on Harley Davidson 2019 Touring—What is …P2138: TGS correlation error: Check engine: Discontinue operation. See dealer for repair. P2176: ETC zero position learning error: Check engine: Discontinue operation. See …If you’re experiencing a check engine light and your vehicle is running poorly, it could be due to a P2138 code. This code indicates that there is a correlation error …All trouble codes are sent out as a series of flashes. To retrieve the first digit of the trouble code simply observe the number of times the lamp flashes. ... P1510 EFI Limited Performance Mode 77. P1511 EFI Power Management Mode 78. P1512 EFI Forced Idle Mode 79. P0577 Cruise Control Input High ... H-DSSS --> Harley-Davidson Smart …I have a 2008 Ultra Classic. Throwing code P1510 and P2122. P1510 and P2122 have not tried resetting. Harley - Answered by a verified Motorcycle MechanicI have a 16 street glide special getting codes 1510- 2122- 2138. Reset it. But comes back as soon as the key is - Answered by a verified Motorcycle MechanicP2138 Code. 2013 F150 6.2l 150k miles. This has happened twice now within the last week. Right after starting, the engine revs up and back down, a wrench light comes on and the throttle does not work. After restart everything is good. It shows a P2138 code - Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D/E Voltage Correlation.How to fix a P2138 Code: Throttle/Pedal Position Sensor/Switch D/E Voltage Correlation. A P2138 Code is set when the ECM/PCM detects that the signals from th...P2122 trouble code definition. The P2122 OBD-II trouble, or fault, code means that the vehicle’s on-board computer has detected low voltage in the throttle position sensor (TPS), which is usually below 0.17 volts. What the P2122 code means. The registration of the P2122 trouble code simply means that low voltage has been detected in the TPS.You’ve probably seen somewhere someone saying coding vs scripting. When I first saw that, I thought that those two are the same things, but the more I learned I found out that ther....

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